Comments on: Lloyd Carr and Phillip Fulmer: One Leaves with Dignity, the Other… http://cgabriel.com/2007/11/19/lloyd-carr-and-phillip-fulmer-one-leaves-with-dignity-the-other/ Lively Conversation. Engaging Interviews. A Breath of Fresh Air. The CGP. Fri, 23 Mar 2012 00:58:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: LAL http://cgabriel.com/2007/11/19/lloyd-carr-and-phillip-fulmer-one-leaves-with-dignity-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-27 LAL Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:23:48 +0000 http://blogharbor.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/lloyd-carr-and-phillip-fulmer-one-leaves-with-dignity-the-other/#comment-27 My first visit! Final verdict about Fulmer reserved until after the SECCG. This was/is his watershed year. If he does well, he stays. If he doesn't, the pressure would be too great to stay (ala Houston Nutt). Style points not included, it seems he has been, "resilient" (as he has stated about his team), and will remain. Stay tuned. My first visit!
Final verdict about Fulmer reserved until after the SECCG. This was/is his watershed year. If he does well, he stays. If he doesn’t, the pressure would be too great to stay (ala Houston Nutt). Style points not included, it seems he has been, “resilient” (as he has stated about his team), and will remain. Stay tuned.

]]> By: CGabriel http://cgabriel.com/2007/11/19/lloyd-carr-and-phillip-fulmer-one-leaves-with-dignity-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-26 CGabriel Sun, 25 Nov 2007 04:43:07 +0000 http://blogharbor.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/lloyd-carr-and-phillip-fulmer-one-leaves-with-dignity-the-other/#comment-26 David: Very interesting points. In particular, scheduling non-conference games of note. This has been a longstanding talking point with the Florida Gators schedule. While they will point to their annual game with Florida State, visiting Tallahassee every other year, the reality is that they do not leave the state of Florida to go out-of-conference. To their credit, Tennessee does this with regularity. In recent years they've played at UCLA, Miami, Notre Dame and Syracuse with future schedules over the next nine years including trips to Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oregon, UCLA, North Carolina and North Carolina State. It's not as easy as having Eastern Michigan or Akron come to town but it's a far better statement a program can make about themselves. David: Very interesting points. In particular, scheduling non-conference games of note. This has been a longstanding talking point with the Florida Gators schedule. While they will point to their annual game with Florida State, visiting Tallahassee every other year, the reality is that they do not leave the state of Florida to go out-of-conference. To their credit, Tennessee does this with regularity. In recent years they’ve played at UCLA, Miami, Notre Dame and Syracuse with future schedules over the next nine years including trips to Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oregon, UCLA, North Carolina and North Carolina State. It’s not as easy as having Eastern Michigan or Akron come to town but it’s a far better statement a program can make about themselves.

]]> By: David Clarke http://cgabriel.com/2007/11/19/lloyd-carr-and-phillip-fulmer-one-leaves-with-dignity-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-25 David Clarke Sun, 25 Nov 2007 02:44:45 +0000 http://blogharbor.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/lloyd-carr-and-phillip-fulmer-one-leaves-with-dignity-the-other/#comment-25 I have the dubious distinction of being a huge Michigan Wolverines fan living in the heart of SEC country in Tennessee. I do not like the Vols mainly because of the wreckless abandon with which most fans here espouse their opinions about the superior teams, schedules and competition in the SEC as compared to every conference in the country. I believe that the SEC is every bit as tough as any other in the land but stop short of agreeing about its superiority. The college football landscape has for a long time now been getting more and more level for all teams and conferences. I believe that you have hit the nail on the head in respect to the parallels of the two programs, Michigan and Tennessee, however the difference is that although Tennessee has not played up to their potential, ie: loss to Vanderbilt two years ago, they still do not have as consistently poor of a record against a bitter rival as Michigan has against Ohio State. Anyone who even casually follows the Big Ten knows that Michigan/Ohio State is the biggest game of the season for both teams and will normally determine the Big Ten champ. I also have to say that if the Big Ten wants to dispel the myth of SEC dominance two things must happen: #1Non-Conference games must include viable top 10 opponents and they must BEAT these opponents(Michigan this year has payed the price for this type of scheduling and Ohio State has earned the paper tiger distinction this year for not doing it) #2Michigan must win bowl games especially those against SEC teams (see their alltime bowl record against Tennessee)......I'm out.....GO BLUE! I have the dubious distinction of being a huge Michigan Wolverines fan living in the heart of SEC country in Tennessee. I do not like the Vols mainly because of the wreckless abandon with which most fans here espouse their opinions about the superior teams, schedules and competition in the SEC as compared to every conference in the country. I believe that the SEC is every bit as tough as any other in the land but stop short of agreeing about its superiority. The college football landscape has for a long time now been getting more and more level for all teams and conferences. I believe that you have hit the nail on the head in respect to the parallels of the two programs, Michigan and Tennessee, however the difference is that although Tennessee has not played up to their potential, ie: loss to Vanderbilt two years ago, they still do not have as consistently poor of a record against a bitter rival as Michigan has against Ohio State. Anyone who even casually follows the Big Ten knows that Michigan/Ohio State is the biggest game of the season for both teams and will normally determine the Big Ten champ. I also have to say that if the Big Ten wants to dispel the myth of SEC dominance two things must happen: #1Non-Conference games must include viable top 10 opponents and they must BEAT these opponents(Michigan this year has payed the price for this type of scheduling and Ohio State has earned the paper tiger distinction this year for not doing it) #2Michigan must win bowl games especially those against SEC teams (see their alltime bowl record against Tennessee)……I’m out…..GO BLUE!

]]> By: CGabriel http://cgabriel.com/2007/11/19/lloyd-carr-and-phillip-fulmer-one-leaves-with-dignity-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-24 CGabriel Thu, 22 Nov 2007 03:24:55 +0000 http://blogharbor.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/lloyd-carr-and-phillip-fulmer-one-leaves-with-dignity-the-other/#comment-24 Dr. Bubba: I couldn't agree with you more on the Big Ten. For that matter, the PAC 10 as well. What the SEC and Big 12 in particular have to go through just to get to a BCS bowl is brutal. I've long felt that the Big 10 and PAC 10 should also have a championship game. Of course, it's not happening until each conference expands by at least two more teams. Then, they'd almost be forced to have a championship game. Dr. Bubba: I couldn’t agree with you more on the Big Ten. For that matter, the PAC 10 as well. What the SEC and Big 12 in particular have to go through just to get to a BCS bowl is brutal. I’ve long felt that the Big 10 and PAC 10 should also have a championship game. Of course, it’s not happening until each conference expands by at least two more teams. Then, they’d almost be forced to have a championship game.

]]> By: CGabriel http://cgabriel.com/2007/11/19/lloyd-carr-and-phillip-fulmer-one-leaves-with-dignity-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-23 CGabriel Thu, 22 Nov 2007 03:21:35 +0000 http://blogharbor.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/lloyd-carr-and-phillip-fulmer-one-leaves-with-dignity-the-other/#comment-23 Monterey Vol: Thank you for weighing in; I appreciate your comments. Allow me a few thoughts back at you . . . Had you read what I wrote a bit more closely, you might have realized the crux of my post: I believe the Tennessee football program has regressed for a number of years now and the Vols are overdue for a new man at the helm. You said "Most UT fans don't want Fulmer to go just yet?" Ok, fair enough. Now tell me, of the Vols fans you've spoken to, do you believe that number makes up "most"? And I'm pretty sure I cited Fulmer's coaching record as "impressive" while calling him a good ambassador for college football and the University of Tennessee. Meanwhile, comparing Fulmer to Carr is hardly unfair. You don't need to coach against someone to be compared with him; it comes with the territory of being in the sporting arena. The great 1990's Michael Jordan-led Bulls teams were often compared to the 1986 Celtics team, arguably the greatest NBA team of all time. The actual, man-for-man rosters never played one another but were compared by both the print and broadcast media endlessly. Fair? Doesn't matter; the point is moot because the comparisons invariably came. And I absolutely agree with you on JoePa and Bowden. Finally, my favorite team . . . I'm sorry to say you really missed on that one. Monterey Vol: Thank you for weighing in; I appreciate your comments. Allow me a few thoughts back at you . . . Had you read what I wrote a bit more closely, you might have realized the crux of my post: I believe the Tennessee football program has regressed for a number of years now and the Vols are overdue for a new man at the helm. You said “Most UT fans don’t want Fulmer to go just yet?” Ok, fair enough. Now tell me, of the Vols fans you’ve spoken to, do you believe that number makes up “most”? And I’m pretty sure I cited Fulmer’s coaching record as “impressive” while calling him a good ambassador for college football and the University of Tennessee. Meanwhile, comparing Fulmer to Carr is hardly unfair. You don’t need to coach against someone to be compared with him; it comes with the territory of being in the sporting arena. The great 1990′s Michael Jordan-led Bulls teams were often compared to the 1986 Celtics team, arguably the greatest NBA team of all time. The actual, man-for-man rosters never played one another but were compared by both the print and broadcast media endlessly. Fair? Doesn’t matter; the point is moot because the comparisons invariably came. And I absolutely agree with you on JoePa and Bowden. Finally, my favorite team . . . I’m sorry to say you really missed on that one.

]]> By: DrBubba1 http://cgabriel.com/2007/11/19/lloyd-carr-and-phillip-fulmer-one-leaves-with-dignity-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-22 DrBubba1 Thu, 22 Nov 2007 02:06:47 +0000 http://blogharbor.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/lloyd-carr-and-phillip-fulmer-one-leaves-with-dignity-the-other/#comment-22 Answer my question about a Big Ten championship game? Answer my question about a Big Ten championship game?

]]> By: MontereyVol http://cgabriel.com/2007/11/19/lloyd-carr-and-phillip-fulmer-one-leaves-with-dignity-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-21 MontereyVol Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:18:40 +0000 http://blogharbor.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/lloyd-carr-and-phillip-fulmer-one-leaves-with-dignity-the-other/#comment-21 So what your saying is that Fulmer is a bad coach because he doesnt have his teams motivated for every game in the last 16 years? And he won games he had no business winning, name some and I can point to any program or coach in the land to field that lame argument. Most UT fans dont want Fulmer to go just yet, and you can argue all you want about how he is slipping but you cant argue with his record! Quit writing about this guy and comparing him to coaches he hardly coached against and go ask why Joe Pa or Bowden arent leaving with a little dignity. You must feel like bashing a great coach because your favorite team losses to him all the time. So what your saying is that Fulmer is a bad coach because he doesnt have his teams motivated for every game in the last 16 years? And he won games he had no business winning, name some and I can point to any program or coach in the land to field that lame argument. Most UT fans dont want Fulmer to go just yet, and you can argue all you want about how he is slipping but you cant argue with his record! Quit writing about this guy and comparing him to coaches he hardly coached against and go ask why Joe Pa or Bowden arent leaving with a little dignity. You must feel like bashing a great coach because your favorite team losses to him all the time.

]]> By: CGabriel http://cgabriel.com/2007/11/19/lloyd-carr-and-phillip-fulmer-one-leaves-with-dignity-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-20 CGabriel Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:37:08 +0000 http://blogharbor.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/lloyd-carr-and-phillip-fulmer-one-leaves-with-dignity-the-other/#comment-20 Dr. Bubba: I hate to be the one to tell you, but check the Bubba household dictionary my friend. "Irrespective" is both an adjective and an adverb. It means "without regard to something else; something specific." Dr. Bubba: I hate to be the one to tell you, but check the Bubba household dictionary my friend. “Irrespective” is both an adjective and an adverb. It means “without regard to something else; something specific.”

]]> By: DrBubba1 http://cgabriel.com/2007/11/19/lloyd-carr-and-phillip-fulmer-one-leaves-with-dignity-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-19 DrBubba1 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:50:28 +0000 http://blogharbor.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/lloyd-carr-and-phillip-fulmer-one-leaves-with-dignity-the-other/#comment-19 There is no such word as "irrespective". There is the word "respective". Yes, UT and its fans could have cared less about playing in a "cold, icey" enviroment at the Cotton Bowl after we had lost in the SEC championship game. One thing that Fulmer did was get rid of "problems" which brought about inconsistence. When will the Big Ten play a championship game like we do in the SEC in football? The SEC Championship game is tough and losing takes a lot out of a team. Let's see what would happen if the Big Ten had to play such a title game to be in a BCS game. There is no such word as “irrespective”. There is the word “respective”.
Yes, UT and its fans could have cared less about playing in a “cold, icey” enviroment at the Cotton Bowl after we had lost in the SEC championship game.
One thing that Fulmer did was get rid of “problems” which brought about inconsistence.

When will the Big Ten play a championship game like we do in the SEC in football? The SEC Championship game is tough and losing takes a lot out of a team. Let’s see what would happen if the Big Ten had to play such a title game to be in a BCS game.

]]> By: CGabriel http://cgabriel.com/2007/11/19/lloyd-carr-and-phillip-fulmer-one-leaves-with-dignity-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-18 CGabriel Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:22:59 +0000 http://blogharbor.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/lloyd-carr-and-phillip-fulmer-one-leaves-with-dignity-the-other/#comment-18 Dr. Bubba1: Yes indeed, Doctor B. Funny thing about that game -- the Vols were as prepared as any game I can remember in many years. Now, contrast that bowl performance versus one year earlier in the Cotton Bowl against Kansas State. Irrespective of which team was better, there was no doubt which team was better prepared. The focus and intensity so apparent against Michigan in the Citrus were non-existent in Dallas that day. It's the inconsistency that is forever constant. Dr. Bubba1: Yes indeed, Doctor B. Funny thing about that game — the Vols were as prepared as any game I can remember in many years. Now, contrast that bowl performance versus one year earlier in the Cotton Bowl against Kansas State. Irrespective of which team was better, there was no doubt which team was better prepared. The focus and intensity so apparent against Michigan in the Citrus were non-existent in Dallas that day. It’s the inconsistency that is forever constant.

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