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		<title>By: Brett Favre Feeling Minnesota? : Christopher Gabriel</title>
		<link>http://cgabriel.com/2008/08/01/the-packers-and-favre-defy-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-744</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Favre Feeling Minnesota? : Christopher Gabriel</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Brett Favre Feeling Minnesota? &#171; BLOG HARBOR</title>
		<link>http://cgabriel.com/2008/08/01/the-packers-and-favre-defy-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Favre Feeling Minnesota? &#171; BLOG HARBOR</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: CGabriel</title>
		<link>http://cgabriel.com/2008/08/01/the-packers-and-favre-defy-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>CGabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 05:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick M: &quot;Overstating his career accomplishments?&quot;  My dear Pat, you&#039;ve swallowed way too many bad cheesesteaks.  A three-time league MVP, over 61,000 passing yards, 442 regular season TD&#039;s to go with 39 more in the playoffs, 15 winning seasons out of 16...and a Super Bowl win?  And your position is that he would have &quot;fallen nicely in line with the Eagle quarterbacks&quot; I mentioned earlier?  That was a joke..........right?

Moreover, you&#039;re comparing him to...Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien and Kurt Warner?  Statistically alone, the three of them combined are dwarfed by Favre.

Comparing him to Montana, Elway and Brady - absolutely.  Dr. J had one title with the Sixers but no one questions he&#039;s one of the greatest players of all time.

Finally, ask anyone here in the Midwest - the good folks right across the St. Croix River in Wisconsin - who the best QB in Packers history is.  The answer you&#039;ll receive is the one you don&#039;t want to hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick M: &#8220;Overstating his career accomplishments?&#8221;  My dear Pat, you&#8217;ve swallowed way too many bad cheesesteaks.  A three-time league MVP, over 61,000 passing yards, 442 regular season TD&#8217;s to go with 39 more in the playoffs, 15 winning seasons out of 16&#8230;and a Super Bowl win?  And your position is that he would have &#8220;fallen nicely in line with the Eagle quarterbacks&#8221; I mentioned earlier?  That was a joke&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.right?</p>
<p>Moreover, you&#8217;re comparing him to&#8230;Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien and Kurt Warner?  Statistically alone, the three of them combined are dwarfed by Favre.</p>
<p>Comparing him to Montana, Elway and Brady &#8211; absolutely.  Dr. J had one title with the Sixers but no one questions he&#8217;s one of the greatest players of all time.</p>
<p>Finally, ask anyone here in the Midwest &#8211; the good folks right across the St. Croix River in Wisconsin &#8211; who the best QB in Packers history is.  The answer you&#8217;ll receive is the one you don&#8217;t want to hear.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick M</title>
		<link>http://cgabriel.com/2008/08/01/the-packers-and-favre-defy-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 04:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t give me the Santa Claus booing crap.  That was a skinny drunk guy in a cheap Santa outfit they pulled out of the stands because the &quot;real&quot; Santa go snowed in.

I would agree that the quarterbacking of the Eagles has been lacking a bit since they traded Sony Jerguson tot he Redskins but I would like to point out that the great number 4 has won a grand total of 1, yes one, Super Bowl.  Therefore, I do believe you would be overstating his career accomplishments  by compareing Favre to Montana, Elway and Brady.  I would compare Brett to Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien and Kurt Warner because you know what he has in common with them?  Yup, they each won 1 Super Bowl.  Heck, Favre isn&#039;t even the best quarterback in Packers history. So Montana, Elway and Brady...please.

Would I have liked him to play for the Eagles?  Sure, I would have loved to see what he could do with a team whose management refuses to employ a number one receiver (except for the TO Super Bowl year). With Favre&#039;s propensity for the interception and this team&#039;s historic sub-par receiving core I do believe he would have fallen nicely in line with the Eagle quarterbacks you mention. So hero... no, I don&#039;t think so.

Oh, and by the way, the all-time Packer playoff record against the Philadelphia Eagles is 0-2.

Pat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t give me the Santa Claus booing crap.  That was a skinny drunk guy in a cheap Santa outfit they pulled out of the stands because the &#8220;real&#8221; Santa go snowed in.</p>
<p>I would agree that the quarterbacking of the Eagles has been lacking a bit since they traded Sony Jerguson tot he Redskins but I would like to point out that the great number 4 has won a grand total of 1, yes one, Super Bowl.  Therefore, I do believe you would be overstating his career accomplishments  by compareing Favre to Montana, Elway and Brady.  I would compare Brett to Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien and Kurt Warner because you know what he has in common with them?  Yup, they each won 1 Super Bowl.  Heck, Favre isn&#8217;t even the best quarterback in Packers history. So Montana, Elway and Brady&#8230;please.</p>
<p>Would I have liked him to play for the Eagles?  Sure, I would have loved to see what he could do with a team whose management refuses to employ a number one receiver (except for the TO Super Bowl year). With Favre&#8217;s propensity for the interception and this team&#8217;s historic sub-par receiving core I do believe he would have fallen nicely in line with the Eagle quarterbacks you mention. So hero&#8230; no, I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>Oh, and by the way, the all-time Packer playoff record against the Philadelphia Eagles is 0-2.</p>
<p>Pat</p>
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		<title>By: CGabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>CGabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 03:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick M: You speak of January 11, 2004, in overtime, when your Eagles did indeed benefit from a Favre folly.  Ill-advised was being nice. But, that said, having watched the Eagles closely since 1974, I&#039;ve yet to see anyone in an &quot;Iggles&quot; jersey playing QB that could hold Favre&#039;s bratwurst.  If we started adding up the subpar performances Eagles QB&#039;s have had in their playoff history, I suspect we&#039;ll find a lot more flops than what you laid out with Favre.

Had Favre played in Philly, he&#039;d have been a hero and we both know it.  He&#039;s a working man&#039;s player; a blue-collar guy who, during his career, has been brilliant more often than he hasn&#039;t.  He is, quite simply, a competitor on the level of Flyers great Bob Clarke.

I was in the Spectrum when George McGinnis and Dr. J were booed; Mike Schmidt was booed at the Vet; the Flyers, even in their heyday, were booed.  Santa Claus has been booed.  Favre would have been booed, too.  But . . . during the years Favre has been in the league, give me the name of the Eagles QB you&#039;d prefer over him.  Jaworski?  Cunningham?  Detmer?  McNabb?

I&#039;m neither a fan of the Packers or Favre.  But the fact is, Favre has a lot more in common with names like Montana, Elway, Brady and Manning than the aforementioned Eagles QB&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick M: You speak of January 11, 2004, in overtime, when your Eagles did indeed benefit from a Favre folly.  Ill-advised was being nice. But, that said, having watched the Eagles closely since 1974, I&#8217;ve yet to see anyone in an &#8220;Iggles&#8221; jersey playing QB that could hold Favre&#8217;s bratwurst.  If we started adding up the subpar performances Eagles QB&#8217;s have had in their playoff history, I suspect we&#8217;ll find a lot more flops than what you laid out with Favre.</p>
<p>Had Favre played in Philly, he&#8217;d have been a hero and we both know it.  He&#8217;s a working man&#8217;s player; a blue-collar guy who, during his career, has been brilliant more often than he hasn&#8217;t.  He is, quite simply, a competitor on the level of Flyers great Bob Clarke.</p>
<p>I was in the Spectrum when George McGinnis and Dr. J were booed; Mike Schmidt was booed at the Vet; the Flyers, even in their heyday, were booed.  Santa Claus has been booed.  Favre would have been booed, too.  But . . . during the years Favre has been in the league, give me the name of the Eagles QB you&#8217;d prefer over him.  Jaworski?  Cunningham?  Detmer?  McNabb?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m neither a fan of the Packers or Favre.  But the fact is, Favre has a lot more in common with names like Montana, Elway, Brady and Manning than the aforementioned Eagles QB&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick M</title>
		<link>http://cgabriel.com/2008/08/01/the-packers-and-favre-defy-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I&#039;m late to the game here, but...
If Favre played in Philadelphia he&#039;d a been booed out of here a long time ago.  To wit:

During their first 81 years the Packers enjoyed a 13-0 home playoff record at (John Facenda voice-over please) Lambeau Field.  Since 2002 they are 2-3. Favre played in 22 playoff games throwing 28 interceptions, 18 of which were in the last 9 playoff games. My Eagles benefited greatly from one of the dumbest passes thrown in playoff overtime history.

If Ronald Reagan was the teflon president, this guy is the teflon quarterback.  It absolutely amazes me there is such a fuss over a guy that should have retired years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I&#8217;m late to the game here, but&#8230;<br />
If Favre played in Philadelphia he&#8217;d a been booed out of here a long time ago.  To wit:</p>
<p>During their first 81 years the Packers enjoyed a 13-0 home playoff record at (John Facenda voice-over please) Lambeau Field.  Since 2002 they are 2-3. Favre played in 22 playoff games throwing 28 interceptions, 18 of which were in the last 9 playoff games. My Eagles benefited greatly from one of the dumbest passes thrown in playoff overtime history.</p>
<p>If Ronald Reagan was the teflon president, this guy is the teflon quarterback.  It absolutely amazes me there is such a fuss over a guy that should have retired years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: TennesseeTuxedo</title>
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		<dc:creator>TennesseeTuxedo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Brett Favre is doing is WRONG. This was nothing but an overt attempt to get out of his contract with the Packers and handpick the team he wanted to finish out his career with.

Hopefully NFL Commish, Roger Goodell, will hold the Packers&#039; arms behind their back and let Brett Favre sully his own image anymore than he has in the eyes of Packers fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Brett Favre is doing is WRONG. This was nothing but an overt attempt to get out of his contract with the Packers and handpick the team he wanted to finish out his career with.</p>
<p>Hopefully NFL Commish, Roger Goodell, will hold the Packers&#8217; arms behind their back and let Brett Favre sully his own image anymore than he has in the eyes of Packers fans.</p>
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		<title>By: pavler21</title>
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		<dc:creator>pavler21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott A:

I don&#039;t think there will be a problem with the &quot;myth of loyalty&quot; in terms of Brett&#039;s legacy.  Does anybody question the legacy of Joe Montana, who went on to have a successful second life in Kansas City, or even some of the players who were pretty &quot;unsuccessful,&quot; in their second chapters with different teams, like Jerry Rice or Emmitt Smith.  I honestly don&#039;t think anyone will even remember that Emmitt suited up for Cardinals.

Loyalty works both ways.  The organization is proving its priorities by being more loyal to untested fourth-year rookie than they are to the man that literally created their modern day franchise.  Nobody but Brett Favre is more responsible for increasing the equity of the Packers brand and shareholder&#039;s value over the last 16 seasons.  Without Favre, they would be NFL afterthoughts - only successful FOUR DECADES ago, but now no longer relevant.

And how is Brett disloyal by simply wanting to do what he does best &quot;one more time?&quot;  As long as he doesn&#039;t accept the $20 million &quot;blood money&quot; Brett will have been loyal to the most important thing: his passions and his principles.

www.monkeyinmymind.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott A:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there will be a problem with the &#8220;myth of loyalty&#8221; in terms of Brett&#8217;s legacy.  Does anybody question the legacy of Joe Montana, who went on to have a successful second life in Kansas City, or even some of the players who were pretty &#8220;unsuccessful,&#8221; in their second chapters with different teams, like Jerry Rice or Emmitt Smith.  I honestly don&#8217;t think anyone will even remember that Emmitt suited up for Cardinals.</p>
<p>Loyalty works both ways.  The organization is proving its priorities by being more loyal to untested fourth-year rookie than they are to the man that literally created their modern day franchise.  Nobody but Brett Favre is more responsible for increasing the equity of the Packers brand and shareholder&#8217;s value over the last 16 seasons.  Without Favre, they would be NFL afterthoughts &#8211; only successful FOUR DECADES ago, but now no longer relevant.</p>
<p>And how is Brett disloyal by simply wanting to do what he does best &#8220;one more time?&#8221;  As long as he doesn&#8217;t accept the $20 million &#8220;blood money&#8221; Brett will have been loyal to the most important thing: his passions and his principles.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.monkeyinmymind.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.monkeyinmymind.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scott A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 01:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the end, the biggest loser of this whole thing will be Favre.  Last season was fantastic, with Brett coming back from retirement and having a great season with a great team.  He broke every record during his career and created some new records so he could break them too.  He was even an ironman.  He played for the Packers, a team buoyed entirely by history and tradition.  He was the face of the league and a legend.

But now, from my perspective, he has fallen from grace.  The Packers are definitely making their fair share of mistakes, but Favre created this situation by retiring and then unretiring.  The myth of loyalty to his team is dead.  The myth of giving it all for the team is dead-he has definitely put his own interests above those of the Packer franchise.  I scoffed at the tearful retirement, but this is ridiculous and almost childish.  The legend has devolved into another talented, self-involved, superstar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the end, the biggest loser of this whole thing will be Favre.  Last season was fantastic, with Brett coming back from retirement and having a great season with a great team.  He broke every record during his career and created some new records so he could break them too.  He was even an ironman.  He played for the Packers, a team buoyed entirely by history and tradition.  He was the face of the league and a legend.</p>
<p>But now, from my perspective, he has fallen from grace.  The Packers are definitely making their fair share of mistakes, but Favre created this situation by retiring and then unretiring.  The myth of loyalty to his team is dead.  The myth of giving it all for the team is dead-he has definitely put his own interests above those of the Packer franchise.  I scoffed at the tearful retirement, but this is ridiculous and almost childish.  The legend has devolved into another talented, self-involved, superstar.</p>
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		<title>By: CGabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>CGabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pavler21: Spot-on.  Hubris, indeed.  Saying, &quot;Brett is simply acting like Brett...&quot; is the nail meeting the head.  I love when sports begins resembling a Shakespearean production at the Guthrie Theater.  And though I&#039;m a Bears fan, to see Favre in a white jersey with a purple #4 running out onto Lambeau Field would be tantamount to sitting in the Royal Shakespeare Company waiting for Olivier to make his first entrance as Richard III.

Fancy Pancakes: The not wanting Favre to play anywhere else is tricky.  They either don&#039;t want him in the league because coming back means they (Packers brass) have to deal with The Brett Factor in Green Bay...we&#039;ve already seen the drama that&#039;s produced.  Or, if he goes to another team, how do they get him there?  Trade, release him?  And then, what if he has an amazing season while Aaron Rogers...does not.

Favre would play elsewhere but he&#039;d like to have a strong hand in where that is.  And THAT&#039;S where team/athlete battles go public and get ugly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pavler21: Spot-on.  Hubris, indeed.  Saying, &#8220;Brett is simply acting like Brett&#8230;&#8221; is the nail meeting the head.  I love when sports begins resembling a Shakespearean production at the Guthrie Theater.  And though I&#8217;m a Bears fan, to see Favre in a white jersey with a purple #4 running out onto Lambeau Field would be tantamount to sitting in the Royal Shakespeare Company waiting for Olivier to make his first entrance as Richard III.</p>
<p>Fancy Pancakes: The not wanting Favre to play anywhere else is tricky.  They either don&#8217;t want him in the league because coming back means they (Packers brass) have to deal with The Brett Factor in Green Bay&#8230;we&#8217;ve already seen the drama that&#8217;s produced.  Or, if he goes to another team, how do they get him there?  Trade, release him?  And then, what if he has an amazing season while Aaron Rogers&#8230;does not.</p>
<p>Favre would play elsewhere but he&#8217;d like to have a strong hand in where that is.  And THAT&#8217;S where team/athlete battles go public and get ugly.</p>
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